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HPA - Innerpipor

Inläggav Nicke » 13 april 2016, 16:46

Vad för innerpipa föredras till hpa , Orga .23 , Prom .03 ,Madbull .01 ?
Behöver lite råd!

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Inläggav drev1 » 13 april 2016, 20:22

jag kör en 6,03 madbull. testade 6,23 men då drog kulorna överallt efter typ 5 meter.

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Inläggav Marcules » 23 april 2016, 15:46

Beror på vilken hpa man pratar om. Men polar* och smp/inferno/hydra gillar generellt widebore. Tippmann verkar fungera bäst med tightbore generellt, men vissa har fått jättebra resultat med widebore där också, verkar dock kräva lite mer fiddlande och kanske några moddar (kör tightbore själv, så har inte satt mig in i vad som krävs). Daytona har jag ingen erfarenhet av alls, så det får någon annan svara på.
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Re: HPA - Innerpipor

Inläggav drev1 » 29 april 2016, 15:49

jag kör wolverine smp. 6.03

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Inläggav Vaksai » 29 april 2016, 16:12

Tippmann med pdi 6.10 375mm, fungerar fantastiskt bra med både original gummi och hop samt med rhop och prommy purple.

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Inläggav Topphatt » 29 april 2016, 20:33

Var får man tag på pdi wide bore?

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Inläggav Twist » 29 april 2016, 22:48

Generellt sett är widebore bättre på alla sätt utom att de är väldigt lufthungriga, men till en HPA-lösning bör det vara en nobrainer

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Inläggav BlackGoat » 30 april 2016, 22:25

Orga 6.23 Fungerar riktigt bra tillsammans med MFR HEavy bolt och o-ring mod i min Tippmann :)

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Re: HPA - Innerpipor

Inläggav Krigarhund » 10 maj 2016, 09:35

saxat ifrån wolverine airsoft och HPA airsoft.

Jag själv har haft likvärdiga resultat med widebore/tightbore.

"Can we clarify that having HPA and a widebore barrel alone will not simply and magically give you range?
HPA's only advantages are the settings, ease of use, consistency, and trigger response. They're not a spell book. We aren't using Satan's magic. It's just air.
There's a whole lot that goes into a good build that is able to reach out and touch someone effectively. The platform installation doesn't make it gandalf and a barrel does not allow you to suddenly build a perfect shooting gun. The way barrels work in airsoft is through smoothness. No amount of tightness, wideness, or length will truly change the shot. In fact, the longest confirmed airsoft kill was by a man by the name of Joseph Cribbs. His custom Tokyo Marui VSR-10 only had a barrel length about ~285mm if I recall correctly. His confirmed kill was 512 feet! Regardless, I digress. What changes them is barrel quality. You can make a crap barrel run well, but you can make a good barrel run great. The way you can do this is by reducing friction. Friction from the BB to barrel can result in a loss of energy in the form of heat or physically lost kinetic energy, as in that the BB gets thrown off course or becomes unstable which can also vibrate the barrel and throw off more shots if they are in quick succession. This is most notably and commonly seen in some AEGs and and large amount of stock support or support style guns.
Those of you that fall for the widebore "Floats in a cushion of air" gimmick might need to go back to Middle school physics. BBs ride along the top of the barrel due to the pressure difference behind it and slightly because of the hop up. When a nub is down, it blocks air from reaching the top if the barrel, this creates an area of low pressure above and high pressure below, causing the BB to seriously and consistently float up and ride the top of the barrel. This can be witnessed with cheap BBs or corn starch BBs like Valken, but this is not my responsibility. However, as fluid dynamics would have it, it does state and make sense a propellant would float on a cushion of air, given that the projectile was perfect like a ball bearing and there was no hop up nub or really any other component of the hop up including the hop up window. Widebores work off reducing surface area which yes, reduces friction. However, you lose a lot of air in the already large amount of air required to make it run properly and for those prices that many are, such as Orgas, you can get a nice tightbore which will be much more efficient to your gun. Widebores also can fail dramatically if the BB becomes unstable as it could start bouncing around a wide area and lose that precious energy. Yes, I am against Orgas, however, I do see the advantage a cheap widebore or widER bore could have over over a cheap tightbore. Orgas, no, if there's a widebore for 25 USD or less and you can't get something more expensive, yeah, seems like it might be something you could work off of.
That's only the barrels however, and they only do something like 20% of the work in a shot, a known tech on Facebook has shown this with a stubby DMR, how cute and how amazing that a gun so small could reach so far.
How is this possible though? Real guns work off pressure and longer barrels give pressure, right? Yes, but real guns don't have a hop up. And that's where another part of range and accuracy lies. A stock hop up can get you pretty far, but only so far. Which is why methods such as ER-Hop, R-Hop, G-Hop, and Flat hop are used. They stable the BB to keep keep a consistent flight from the hop up. With a heavy BB, you can carry much more energy and hop within itself and for longer, thus, enabling better range especially with with a higher joule output. Wow! Again with the simple physics.
You really don't need to over think it. Good quality parts and a setup which takes advantage if this will seriously get you that range you like, provided that the rest of your gun can do its job. Teching really is a maze and the next route to take isn't always clear, which is why we have this forum to ask and confirm your ideas.
I hope this little explanation really helped you if you needed it."

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Re: HPA - Innerpipor

Inläggav Twist » 12 maj 2016, 23:29

Det där är en riktigt bra text. Tack för den!

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Re: HPA - Innerpipor

Inläggav Jakobsson » 26 december 2016, 21:14

Bra video med fakta och inte fiktion :)

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Re: HPA - Innerpipor

Inläggav Twist » 27 december 2016, 00:05

Ja, den passar ju väldigt bra här också. Bra där, Jakobsson.


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